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hey terry take a look at these four

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targets they've been in this approximate

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area for over an hour

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you've never seen anything like it they

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hover for a while and then jump to

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another location

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they moved five miles in one update

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several minutes ago that's over 3000

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miles an hour

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have you checked with the military to

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see if they have anything going out

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there

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yeah and they don't have any scheduled

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activity tonight and a weather balloon

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couldn't begin to do that

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well try broadcasting in the blind and

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see if you get any reply

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this is magoo approach control any

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aircraft within 10 nautical miles of

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oxnard field

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identify yourself or repeat identify

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there's pacific 618 ask him if he sees

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anything

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pacific 618 this is magoo approach

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traffic at 10 o'clock close proximity do

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pacific 618 has two bright lights nine

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and ten o'clock position

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we're painting only one target now but

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just a second

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it seems to be jumping around at

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tremendous speeds

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look at that thing go what do you make

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of that

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you got me could be military

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there it is again you go to contact la

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approached

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la approaches a specific flight 618 four

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miles northwest of

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malibu roger pacific this is los angeles

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approach control

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we've got a large white light directly

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ahead of us

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estimated range about a mile uh

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maintaining the separation

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and uh it's playing some strange games

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with us

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do you show any traffic we show nothing

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on radar anywhere near you

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impossible there goes again

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that can't be a plane how they approach

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specific 618. did you just see that

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i've told you we have nothing and you

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have nothing

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what you've seen is a reenactment of an

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incident that took place

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five years ago to this day it remains

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unexplained

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these people have joined the ranks of

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hundreds of others who have also

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experienced one of the most

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ufos

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if you study the sky in a planetarium

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you can be pretty certain that any of

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your questions can be answered

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but if you observe the real night sky

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there is a chance that you may see

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something moving that you don't

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recognize

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a ufo an unidentified flying object

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for the untrained observer it is easy to

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be fooled and there's usually some

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simple explanation

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but as you've just seen even for people

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who are used to watching the sky

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there are some things that defy

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hello i'm peter coyote and in the movie

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i play a ufo investigator who like

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myself has always wanted to have a ufo

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experience

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i think that many people are fascinated

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by the possibility that ufos might be

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spacecraft piloted by intelligent beings

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in my case it's a curiosity that's

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existed for more than 30 years

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but the real question is is there any

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validity to the ufo experience

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anything beyond just our wishful

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about ninety percent of the objects that

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are reported as ufos

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are explainable usually they turn out to

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be celestial bodies or military and

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and a certain number of them are hoaxes

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like this one

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and this one to the skeptics

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35 years of investigations have failed

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to turn up any evidence

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that ufos really exist one of the

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leading critics is aviation writer

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class we've had tens of thousands of ufo

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yet there is not a single not a single

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photograph of an extraordinary

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craft-like object

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that cannot be explained as a hoax or in

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other prosaic terms

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there is not a single physical artifact

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not a residue that would say

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something extraordinary is underway

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then are ufos just part of our modern

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mythology

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reflected in hollywood films all through

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history mankind has always looked to the

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skies for help

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in times of tension they've always

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looked to the skies and today when we

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the fear of nuclear holocaust

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of overpopulation of pollution of the

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energy crisis my gosh what's more

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for the people than to say wouldn't it

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be nice if some

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intelligence could come in from above

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and help us out with all this stuff

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astronomer alan heineck has been

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studying ufos for over 30 years now

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and he's convinced that there's nothing

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fictional about them

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starting as a complete skeptic i

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and now i've simply um it's i guess the

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best way of saying it is it's an itch

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that i just have to scratch

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it's it's um there and it i feel that

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we have a phenomenon that is uh could be

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human race i feel that strongly about it

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so who is right the believer or the

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skeptic

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in a moment we'll look at the evidence

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an unidentified flying object that's

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what people reported seeing on march of

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circling the sky over san francisco at

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least a half dozen people say they saw a

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ufo near the golden gate bridge this

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a cluster of lights was first spotted by

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one commuter crossing the bridge

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just after 6am it looked neon

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and it was just kind of hovering and it

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looked like a big white wing

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you know to me each year hundreds of

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people claim to see ufos

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most are eventually identified this

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particular object turned out to be an

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advertising plane which is frequently

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mistaken for a ufo

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when people do see things in the sky

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that mystify them

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who can they turn to publicly government

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agencies claim no

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interest in ufo sightings this leaves a

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small private organizations the task of

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investigating the literally hundreds of

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ufo sightings every year

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tiny budgets

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and are staffed by volunteers who must

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investigate these eyewitness reports in

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their spare time

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tom page is a high school astronomy

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teacher in northern california

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on weekends and whenever time allows

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he's a field investigator for the mutual

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one of the largest groups in the country

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one of his more recent cases involves a

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young pilot from novato california

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shannon davis is a flight instructor who

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has logged over 3000 hours in the air

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600 of those at night

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his sighting on the night of november

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5th 1980 is typical of the five to ten

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percent that remain unidentified

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i noticed the light up in my left wing

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at about the seven o'clock position of

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oakland center because the ifr flight

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i asked them how close that aircraft was

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from us and they said that they didn't

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show anything on radar out there

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then i noticed that it pulled up

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alongside my left wing

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it was a bullet shape rounded at the

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front that widened out and tapered to a

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about it is around the main body the

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center but just past the nose

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there was a ring spinning around and it

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faster until that whole ring disappeared

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and with a matter of seconds the

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brightness of the object appeared to be

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blowing bright fireball and i kind of

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was i guess i was thinking it was some

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kind of missile that was detonated

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right angle turn and it went vertical

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five minutes later shannon saw the

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object again and it repeated the same

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only this time two pilots flying in the

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opposite direction

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i have to the best my knowledge rule on

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any kind of meteor or shooting star

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because i don't know if any meteor

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pace you and then take off forward and

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any kind of spacecraft or military

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physical laws would make an

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instantaneous 90 degree turn

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according to the laws of physics that

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can't be done and you know i watched it

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the first step in any ufo investigation

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is to check out witness credibility

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in this particular case it was easy

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since tom already knew

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shannon i first met shannon davis

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as a student in one of my classes as far

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as the credibility of the weddings in

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this case i feel that this particular

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individual is telling the truth i think

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he's a very

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truthful individual he had no reason to

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lie

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and at the time he didn't want any

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publicity now he said that he would be

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willing to make this public just for

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information but one witness does not

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make a strong case

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so tom tried to locate the other two

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pilots

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there's a possibility in this particular

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setting that there were two other

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witnesses two

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pilots who saw something come out

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overcast above shannon

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i do not know what airline they were

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from and shannon didn't either and were

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unable to contact them

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and what about radar during the

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encounter shannon radioed oakland center

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flight facility

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but their response was negative if a

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pilot would inform us

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that he had a sighting of a ufo in close

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we would not be able to distinguish

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between he and that ufo would be all one

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target test

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could the object have been man-made or a

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natural phenomenon

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none of those things could do the things

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that this particular object did moving

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forward at a high speed making a right

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angle turn

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possibly military aircraft could but the

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military certainly wouldn't be telling

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us about it

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the case closed this is how the evidence

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stood

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was the main witness credible yes were

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other eyewitnesses contacted to support

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the story

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no was the object tracked on radar

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no could the object have been man-made

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or some celestial body

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inconclusive that's the problem we have

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is that we're basing the whole ufo study

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on

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uh the report of witnesses and we have

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to just determine whether these

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witnesses are telling truth or not

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shannon believes he saw something

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extraordinary and paige agrees with him

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but to the doubters without hard

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evidence they're inclined toward a more

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conventional explanation

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there are dozens simply dozens of things

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to be seen in the night skies and i

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say to any of your viewers if they will

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go out tonight if it's a clear night

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and spend three hours looking at the

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night skies i can almost guarantee them

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they will see something that will

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surprise them something unusual

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but ufologists like paige argue that the

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problem is not the validity of the

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eyewitness accounts

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but the lack of professionally trained

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full-time people

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to investigate cases like shannon's

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look we wouldn't have gone to the moon

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if we'd had to depend on people who

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could work only on weekends and without

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salary

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as a hobby uh

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the what we need in ufology

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not all ufo investigators are amateurs

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there are professionals and many with

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scientific backgrounds who are

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conducting diligent studies

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their efforts have brought ufo research

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out of the realm of fantasy

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in the last 40 years technology has

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moved us from an earthbound existence

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straight into the outer reaches of space

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and now that technological know-how is

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being used to try and unravel the ufo

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mystery

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john schussler is a mechanical engineer

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for mcdonnell douglas and nasa

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here at the johnson space center in

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houston schussler has worked on several

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space programs

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including skylab and the space shuttle

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shustler's lifelong interest in ufos

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prompted him to bring together other

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interested aerospace workers

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and form a group called visit our

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project visit

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is a very unique organization in that

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our acronym stands for vehicle

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internal systems investigative team and

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by that we mean that ufos

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if they exist must have internal systems

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as do our spacecraft such as the space

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shuttle

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we feel that by investigating cases

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where there are

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unique attributes such as medical

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injuries abductions

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trace effects materials metals

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photographs anything technological that

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we can

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take the end result and model it

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backtrack

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and define define and design exactly

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over the past several months shustler

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and his group have accumulated a file of

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a hundred cases of ufo encounters

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one of the most intriguing cases that

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schusler and his group are investigating

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involves these women betty cash vicki

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landrum and vicki's grandson

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colby in december of 1980

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the three of them encountered an unusual

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we had been driving out this country

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road which it is a

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very desolate area

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and all of a sudden we've seen this

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object so i didn't know whether to stop

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to back up keep going or what so we just

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kept driving

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we thought well maybe it's it's an

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air balloon or something you know

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weather balloon or something

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but the closer we got we could tell

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that either it was going to be us

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or it because it kept getting lower

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and this object come down

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almost to the treetops almost ahead of

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us and i screamed for betty to stop

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and i think if she hadn't stopped and we

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i got out in the car cobing me for about

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i guess a minute or two and he was

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screaming

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like he was trying to get away from me

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and then pulling me back in the car and

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i got back in the car

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and betty walked to the head of the car

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i thought it was the end of time because

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i've always been

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taught the bible says the world will be

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destroyed by fire

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hell and brimstone well how did i know

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that the hell in brimstone wasn't

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and as hot as it was if hell is any

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hotter

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god forbid i want to live a good life

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because it was just it was just almost

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i kept trying to calm kobe and i

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couldn't i had to tell him something

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that would

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come him and i said if you see this big

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man come out of it it'd be jesus

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well i just had a feeling to look up in

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the sky

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i looked around a little bit more and i

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saw that object

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it looked like a diamond it lit up the

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it was a grayish metallic looking color

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but yet the flames that was

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thrown out was a reddish yellowish

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looking glow besides the strange object

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they all claim to have seen

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several helicopters hovering around it

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just

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about the minute that i got up close

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enough to

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really make the shape of the

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object whatever it is the helicopters

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were there

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we was amazed at you know what kind of

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helicopters they were we were about

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scared to death

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the double rotary kind of helicopters

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i never saw one before whatever they saw

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that night the physical impact was

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immediate

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within hours they were suffering from

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severe headaches diarrhea and vomiting

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betty cash had the worst symptoms her

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main problem at that time was severe

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headache swelling of the face swelling

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of the eyelids

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and the swelling of the skull that is

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the the top of the head

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the fear of ridicule kept betty from

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telling about her ufo encounter

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but weeks later when patches of her hair

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started falling out

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she told her doctor about the incident

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specialists were brought in

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including a dermatologist and a

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radiologist to run tests

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they all turned up negative john

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schussler and his group

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started their own investigation several

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months later

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despite the inconclusive medical reports

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schussler believes that all three

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victims received some kind of radiation

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exposure

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caused by the ufo it's a package of

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symptoms that all three had

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and all three being different kinds of

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people that's the significant thing

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from their age their the past history

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medical history etc

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but they all had common symptoms the

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common symptoms all

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manifested themselves right after the

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incident starting within hours

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and what about the helicopters that were

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supposedly hovering around the object

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shustler's investigators found other

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witnesses who saw them

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the helicopters must have been military

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if they existed

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that has to be a given there are no

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civilian

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operations of ch-47 chinook type

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helicopters

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in the houston or gulf coast area

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major dennis hare is a commander with

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the national guard at ellington air

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force base near houston

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he says none of the chinooks in his unit

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flew the night of the incident

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i personally was not up in the air that

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night and and to the best of my

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knowledge uh

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no member of my unit or or the aircraft

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that's under my command

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were up in the air on that particular

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date

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a fleet of helicopters an unidentified

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flying object

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and three victims who were injured by it

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what do they all add up to

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no one is sure shusler and his group

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think that one possible

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explanation is that our government may

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have been testing a secret aircraft that

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night

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powered by some type of microwave

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propulsion system

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the craft may have gone out of control

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almost touching down when betty

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vicky and colby saw they have what would

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normally be

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seen from a heavy dose of microwave

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and possibly an x-ray component and we

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do know that pulsed microwave gives off

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an x-ray component

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if the military is involved they deny it

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citizens of the united states were

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subjected to chemical exposures

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radiation exposures and various other

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things over the past

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30 years at different times in the

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interest of research or military

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operations

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and a lot of those people kept saying

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hey look i was hurt

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believe me i was hurt and everybody said

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you're crazy it couldn't have happened

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as for betty and vicky they still suffer

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from hypersensitivity to heat

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i do expect them to take care of my

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medical bills

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and what i have had to go through with

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and what i'm still going through with

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and what i may have to continue for

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years

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i don't believe in the little green men

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and all of that stuff from outer space

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but if it's some something that people

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don't know about

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and it slipped in here and did that to

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us

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and the government say yet say they

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don't know about it

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when they had the helicopters up there

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we in a terrible shape

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because if it can happen to us it could

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happen to a whole city

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a postscript to the case vicky and betty

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have filed suit against the federal

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government

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attempting to win compensation for their

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injuries

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they remain firmly convinced that

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whatever it was they saw it was attached

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to the united states military

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after pressure from a texas congressman

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the u.s air force sent its own special

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investigator to look into the matter

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his report states that he was unable to

573
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,320
find any connection whatsoever

574
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,640
between the ufo and any branch of the

575
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,559
u.s military

576
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,880
and so the case remains unsolved but it

577
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,799
does raise some questions

578
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,880
is it possible that some unidentified

579
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:16,880
flying objects could be secret u.s

580
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:18,880
military test planes

581
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:21,919
and if so what recourse do citizens have

582
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:51,110
the earth it's so beautiful

583
00:23:55,679 --> 00:24:01,430
and what are you doing lying around

584
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,789
or leaving the earth

585
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,440
under deep regressive hypnosis carol del

586
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,760
duca is recounting a bizarre story in

587
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,200
which she was whisked away in a

588
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,480
spaceship

589
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,120
her husband joseph also under hypnosis

590
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:16,880
tells the same story

591
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,320
is it real or imagined in the whole area

592
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,320
of ufo experiences

593
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,720
the strangest and most controversial are

594
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,880
the abduction cases

595
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,120
since the early 1970s there have been

596
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,279
well over 300 incidents of people

597
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,520
claiming to have been forcibly abducted

598
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,440
and taken onto spaceships where they met

599
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,520
extraterrestrial beings

600
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,440
these incredible stories have divided

601
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,279
ufo investigators

602
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,520
our own examination of this began with

603
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:45,520
joseph and carol del

604
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,990
the del duca case was investigated by dr

605
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,279
richard sigismund

606
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,039
a social psychologist in boulder

607
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,559
colorado

608
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,559
their story begins late one night while

609
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,480
driving down a lonely stretch of highway

610
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:04,080
on their way home from a trip with their

611
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:04,880
four-month-old

612
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,240
son all they can remember is seeing four

613
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,919
ufos

614
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,000
only under deep hypnosis do they begin

615
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,000
to fill in the lost hours

616
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:20,710
sleep joe and carol are each hypnotized

617
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:28,720
separately but relate similar stories

618
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:32,240
you're pulling into where the wood

619
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:44,149
we're going to the spaceship

620
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:56,390
going to a what spaceship tell me what

621
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:57,200
you're doing then

622
00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:01,120
[Music]

623
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:03,500
going into the room

624
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,190
it's a bright room it's a bright room

625
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,159
what are you doing in this room joe just

626
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,159
laying there

627
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,559
in these rooms joe and carol talk about

628
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,240
undergoing some kind of physical

629
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:22,880
examination

630
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:26,240
i'm looking at my feet that look at your

631
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:27,440
feet you said

632
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,490
[Laughter]

633
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:36,799
[Music]

634
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:41,200
he's hurting me would you say carol

635
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,669
is there already my

636
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:54,080
they're doing what they pulled on my

637
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,610
ankle

638
00:26:59,710 --> 00:26:58,080
[Music]

639
00:27:05,269 --> 00:26:59,720
feels like they broke it

640
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,190
there's people would you describe these

641
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,799
people to me joe

642
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,039
tell me what you see tell me what

643
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:15,120
they're doing if anything

644
00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:25,830
they're real skinny at the waist

645
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:35,720
but they have a big chest

646
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,200
[Music]

647
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,960
it's clear that joe and carol are

648
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,640
reliving an intensely emotional

649
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,840
experience

650
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,240
especially joe who describes an unusual

651
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:50,320
meeting with one of the entities

652
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:53,520
he just pulled me out

653
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:02,070
out of my body

654
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:10,310
he's so nice he's

655
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:16,240
he's warm

656
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,679
he likes me

657
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,000
were joe and carol abducted by aliens

658
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,279
from another world

659
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,080
or did they imagine it dr sigismund

660
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,559
believes it did happen

661
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,799
the stories on every significant in fact

662
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,480
minor details

663
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,520
they match even though each individual

664
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,559
had distinctly different

665
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:53,039
type of experience which they relived

666
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,320
under the hypnosis

667
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:55,840
nonetheless that they were describing

668
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,399
the shape of the so-called craft of the

669
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:01,760
describing the suits of the entities

670
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,679
it all dovetailed to a minute degree

671
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,600
it would be a great difficulty if

672
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,320
individuals sought to perpetrate a hoax

673
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:13,760
to maintain it under deep hypnosis

674
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,720
we sometimes doubted ourselves did that

675
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:19,279
really happen that's incredible

676
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,039
that after we realized

677
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,080
that this was a good thing

678
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:29,360
and very few people have the privilege

679
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,520
of getting to do something like that

680
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,159
that it had a good it left us with good

681
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:43,430
it was just mind-boggling but

682
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,830
but the theory of abductions is being

683
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,320
challenged by this team of investigators

684
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,720
dr alvin lawson an english professor at

685
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,559
long beach state university

686
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,120
dr william mccall a medical doctor who

687
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:00,960
specializes in hypnotism

688
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,679
and john herrera a writer they

689
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,000
demonstrated for us a basic experiment

690
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,440
that they have conducted with hundreds

691
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,799
of people

692
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,799
they hypnotize a person who believes she

693
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,000
was abducted

694
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,320
and the volunteer who is told to imagine

695
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:15,520
an abduction

696
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,200
the result both stories are similar

697
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,360
what is it that you're seeing their

698
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:23,360
shapes

699
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:32,549
they're tall and slim

700
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:37,669
with large eyes

701
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,520
long fingers it's like this bright light

702
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,200
and their heads looking down at me

703
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:49,750
um but they're like shadows

704
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:53,039
and something's passing across yes

705
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:56,799
it's sort of like a piece of something

706
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,110
there's no communication that they know

707
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,559
what i'm thinking

708
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:07,919
uh no verbal communication

709
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:10,960
it's like they're bleeping something i

710
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,549
like electrical impulses or something

711
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,360
in general the imaginary and the real

712
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:23,360
experiences as we've experienced them

713
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:23,919
here

714
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,120
real

715
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,320
substantive differences all of these

716
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:33,120
indicate to me that and to my colleagues

717
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,000
i'm sure

718
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,720
that the imaginary or the abduction

719
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,919
narratives

720
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:40,799
aren't real physical experiences that is

721
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,360
there are not

722
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,559
aliens coming here and

723
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,320
they indicate however that the people

724
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,840
believe that something might well have

725
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,440
happened to them

726
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,960
this is what's so fascinating i think

727
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,880
something quite real in psychological

728
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,960
terms is happening to these people

729
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,559
i don't think little green men are doing

730
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:58,480
it i think we're doing it or the mind is

731
00:32:04,230 --> 00:31:59,279
doing it

732
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,240
to us experiments by lawson mccall and

733
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,320
others seem to prove that abductions are

734
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,399
essentially psychological

735
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,320
this does not invalidate them however

736
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,919
and they are still happening to people

737
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:13,279
all over the world

738
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:16,130
it's up to the researchers to find out

739
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:39,480
why

740
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,590
[Music]

741
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,640
guatemala city 1976

742
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,799
a tv crew is shooting a commercial when

743
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,760
they suddenly spot

744
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:56,559
something strange flying overhead to

745
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,200
this day

746
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,080
no one has been able to identify it but

747
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,840
as spectacular as it appears

748
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,600
this videotape and other forms of

749
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,880
pictorial evidence

750
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,640
have only limited value in our

751
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,840
understanding of ufos

752
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,840
haynes is a research scientist who has

753
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,080
studied many photographs

754
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,600
in order to make sense out of

755
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,279
photographic evidence

756
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,440
it's extremely important to know a great

757
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,440
deal about the photographer

758
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,919
about the camera system he uses about

759
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,640
the development process that is used

760
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,720
and in general about the context in

761
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,200
which the picture was taken

762
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,600
oftentimes we come across photographic

763
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,440
evidence long after the fact and because

764
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,200
of that we don't have much of that

765
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:39,039
fine detail information that we need to

766
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,640
do a good systematic analysis

767
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,679
but with the development of

768
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:45,519
sophisticated image enhancement

769
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,399
equipment

770
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,480
investigators can gain new information

771
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,000
from photographs

772
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,240
haynes demonstrated how this can be done

773
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,440
by analyzing this particular photograph

774
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,360
the picture of a tiny object trailing a

775
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:59,120
plane has long been considered by

776
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,240
ufologists

777
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,159
to be a good example of photographic

778
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,919
evidence of the ufo

779
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,080
but skeptics claim the object is really

780
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,720
something on the ground

781
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,800
to try to settle the question haynes had

782
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:12,480
the photograph put through a process

783
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,800
called

784
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:15,200
color enhancement this gives the picture

785
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,240
more detail

786
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:18,159
allowing haynes to do a more extensive

787
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:19,280
analysis

788
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:23,839
digitization of this photograph

789
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,119
is that the darkness of this major disc

790
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,639
shaped image right here is a very close

791
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,399
to the same darkness as the tail

792
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,320
structure here of the airplane

793
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,359
the wing tank and the main body

794
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,280
and we find that there's no objects on

795
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,520
the ground at that equivalent range with

796
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,520
the equivalent darkness

797
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,240
now what this suggests then is that in

798
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,720
fact it's an airborne object

799
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,800
but even faux enhancement equipment has

800
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,399
its limits

801
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,159
in the final analysis however we're

802
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:55,520
stuck with an image

803
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,720
of something we don't understand if that

804
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,640
enhancement process shows the image to

805
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,560
be an airplane outline

806
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,560
we're home free but on the other hand if

807
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,079
it shows a

808
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,640
symmetrical airform uh an oblate

809
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,240
spheroid for instance with no

810
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,440
uh means propulsion or support or lift

811
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,040
we're right back where we started you

812
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,440
see so photographic analysis must be

813
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,520
coupled with a very creative approach on

814
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,720
the part of the photo interpreter

815
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,400
so without additional evidence

816
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,720
photographs of ufos really prove nothing

817
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,920
at all

818
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,839
but when there is additional evidence

819
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:32,000
ufologists believe that they can make a

820
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,440
strong case

821
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,440
and right now we look at one of their

822
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,390
[Music]

823
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,560
no other pictorial evidence has created

824
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,560
as much interest as these images shot

825
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:46,160
from an airplane during the early

826
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:48,200
morning hours of december 31st

827
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,240
1978. this is the new zealand film

828
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,160
considered by most experts to be the

829
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,800
single strongest evidence of a ufo ever

830
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,720
captured on film

831
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,119
to most of us it may not seem impressive

832
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,200
a small bright light in the night sky

833
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,280
off the new zealand coast

834
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,440
but it is the only case of a ufo that

835
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:09,440
was seen by several pilots and crew

836
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,240
members

837
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,960
picked up on radar and photographed on

838
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:15,280
several thousand frames of 16 millimeter

839
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:16,160
color film

840
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,280
shot by a tv crew it appears to have

841
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,200
a brightly lit bottom and a transparent

842
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,839
sort of sphere on top so it appears to

843
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:29,359
be

844
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,320
well like a flying saucer

845
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,240
no one has studied the new zealand film

846
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,160
more than this man

847
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,240
bruce mcabee is a physicist who spent

848
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,720
over a year analyzing the film

849
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,880
now my claim is that having looked at

850
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:46,320
the film and the whole sighting in

851
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,200
general

852
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,920
that the film shows objects which cannot

853
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:50,480
be

854
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:53,599
identified by conventional means to

855
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,000
arrive

856
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,000
at that conclusion mcabee first flew the

857
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,760
same route in which the sightings were

858
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,880
made

859
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,800
he set out to disprove one of the first

860
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,800
conventional explanations offered

861
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,880
that the object was a celestial body

862
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,560
like venus

863
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,079
the lights that they were talking about

864
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:10,000
was below the level of that mountain

865
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,960
range

866
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,720
in other words silhouetted against the

867
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,640
mountain range if you wish rather than

868
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,640
above the mountain range

869
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,920
so uh i i don't see any

870
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,400
celestial body we could have done that

871
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,560
also if you look at the image carefully

872
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:26,240
you'll see it does strange things like

873
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:26,880
when it

874
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,680
shape from being sort of oval to

875
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,920
sort of thin in a vertical direction and

876
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,640
then just fades out

877
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,400
other skeptics suggested that the light

878
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,680
came from squid boats

879
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,760
which use bright lights to draw squid to

880
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,440
the water surface

881
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,359
to eliminate that possibility maccabee

882
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:47,520
made a direct comparison between a squid

883
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:48,320
boat light

884
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,440
and the light in the film the squid boat

885
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,599
picture clearly shows a reflection in

886
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,640
the water

887
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,320
extending underneath the image of the

888
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,480
squid boat sort of a dull reddish

889
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:00,160
triangular reflection extending

890
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:01,440
downwards

891
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,800
in none of the images in this

892
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,760
ufo film have i been able to find any

893
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,400
indication of a reflection in the water

894
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,000
which you would expect if it's a squid

895
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,880
boat according to air controllers

896
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,720
their radar picked up the object and

897
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:18,480
estimated the distance to the airplane

898
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,040
at between

899
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,560
10 to 20 miles using a densitometer

900
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,960
an instrument that measures film density

901
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,560
maccabee was able to determine the

902
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,560
object's brightness

903
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,720
if the light source had been for example

904
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,000
10 nautical miles

905
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,960
away then it was putting out a power

906
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,079
equivalent to

907
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,920
several hundred thousand watts worth of

908
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:39,920
incandescent light bulbs

909
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,320
a several hundred thousand watt source

910
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,000
is not a small

911
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,359
amount of power that's a that's an awful

912
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,640
lot of

913
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:50,400
energy being used up and they saw this

914
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:55,910
it must have been a considerable source

915
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,870
but the most amazing conclusion that

916
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,119
maccabee reached centered on these last

917
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:04,560
few feet of film

918
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,599
shown here in extremely slow motion

919
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,760
it shows the object flashing from bright

920
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,520
white to a dim red

921
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,359
and then orange color the periodicity

922
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,480
of this flashing is essentially

923
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,599
perfect for 30 cycles

924
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:24,560
such a regular flashing of a light

925
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:25,440
implies

926
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:28,880
intelligent control we could find no

927
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:32,240
human-made light source to account for

928
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:32,480
it

929
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,800
intelligence and yet we can't find any

930
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,520
conventional explanation

931
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,000
that suggests that we have some sort of

932
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,079
an intelligence on our hands here and

933
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,359
uh that removes it being you know beyond

934
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,839
the pale of science i'm afraid

935
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,839
no one has yet been able to refute any

936
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,520
of maccabees work

937
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,280
he believes that the significance of the

938
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,280
new zealand film goes far beyond the

939
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,280
scope of just one case

940
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,960
the hard evidence left over in this case

941
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,960
suggests we have something which cannot

942
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,800
be explained in conventional terms and

943
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:08,560
that opens up a new

944
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,109
it suggests that we should go back and

945
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:16,720
rethink what we've been saying about

946
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,589
october 25th 1975

947
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,599
fighter planes are sent in hot pursuit

948
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,760
after an unidentified flying object

949
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,599
seen hovering over missile sites at

950
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,960
malmstrom air force base in montana

951
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,359
norad the north american air defense

952
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,800
reports that the jets failed to

953
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,560
intercept the object

954
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,720
for the next two months norad recorded

955
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,720
other sightings of ufos over missile

956
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,480
launching sites and nuclear weapons

957
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,319
storage areas in michigan

958
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:05,280
maine and north dakota in all cases our

959
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:08,880
jets were unable to overtake the objects

960
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,240
the 1975 sightings show us dramatically

961
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,400
that unidentified flying objects have

962
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,319
invaded our airspace

963
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,880
and yet since 1969 the federal

964
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,000
government's position has

965
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,920
been that it is not interested in

966
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,640
investigating ufos

967
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:27,599
it was in 1969 that the air force ended

968
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,160
project

969
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,960
blue book a 21-year investigation of

970
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,400
ufos

971
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,319
their basic conclusion was that lack of

972
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,680
evidence warranted no

973
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,640
further study of the matter there was no

974
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,599
evidence of

975
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,640
a threat to national security

976
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,480
there was no evidence that we had been

977
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:46,800
visited by extraterrestrial vehicles

978
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:50,480
and finally there was no evidence that

979
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,119
after evaluating these ufo sightings

980
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,960
that there was any indication

981
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,119
of scientific knowledge the existence of

982
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:58,960
scientific knowledge beyond the present

983
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,359
state of knowledge

984
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,359
but government documents on the norad

985
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:05,280
incidents as well as thousands of other

986
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,000
reports

987
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,000
reveal that the government continues to

988
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:09,920
investigate a phenomenon that is much

989
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:12,880
more than just a few isolated incidents

990
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,160
since 1969 as many as 10 governmental

991
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:18,160
agencies have been involved in ufo

992
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:18,960
inquiries

993
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,960
including the cia the fbi

994
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,520
the national security agency and the air

995
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,720
force

996
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,960
attorney peter gersten has led the fight

997
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:31,119
to unearth these documents on behalf of

998
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,000
a group called

999
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,440
citizens against ufo secrecy

1000
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,680
the documents confirm the reality of

1001
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:39,920
these unconventional objects

1002
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,880
and there is further more evidence that

1003
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:44,880
these objects exhibit

1004
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,240
a technology that is beyond present-day

1005
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,079
technology and advanced technology a

1006
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,720
more sophisticated technology

1007
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,960
a graphic example of that technology was

1008
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,480
reported in this document

1009
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,920
about an incident on september 19 1976

1010
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,280
in iran

1011
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,000
an f4 jet similar to this one was sent

1012
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,240
to intercept unusual objects seen over

1013
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,160
the city of tehran

1014
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,920
as the f4 approached the brilliant

1015
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,319
object the jet lost all instrumentation

1016
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,000
and communication

1017
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,599
later when the jet tried to shoot a

1018
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,200
missile at a second object

1019
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:20,560
the f4 weapon control panel went dead

1020
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:24,079
what makes this incident interesting and

1021
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,280
significant

1022
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,400
is that it involves the malfunction

1023
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,359
of an american-made defensive tactical

1024
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,560
weapon system

1025
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,599
uh specifically an f4 jet

1026
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,839
the interesting part of the incident is

1027
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,640
that

1028
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,880
the defense intelligence agency did an

1029
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,960
evaluation of the incident

1030
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,680
and found the incident to be a classic

1031
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:46,880
ufo case

1032
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,079
because of eyewitness verification

1033
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:53,359
uh confirmed by radar and

1034
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,560
and so forth documents show repeatedly

1035
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,560
that ufos have been able to penetrate

1036
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,480
our military airspace

1037
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,280
in one incident in 1980 ufos were seen

1038
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,960
over kirkland air force base in new

1039
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,079
mexico

1040
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,680
the base is a highly sensitive

1041
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,520
installation that includes an advanced

1042
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,680
weapons research laboratory

1043
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,839
documents show that bright objects were

1044
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:16,079
able to land at the base undetected by

1045
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,119
radar

1046
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:19,359
when security police tried to pursue the

1047
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,160
objects

1048
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,200
they took off ufos pose a threat to

1049
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,040
national security for many reasons

1050
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,520
the first of which relate to the general

1051
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,200
principle that these objects have been

1052
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:31,119
unable to be identified by this

1053
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:31,920
government for

1054
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,960
the last 35 years another reason we see

1055
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,079
in the documents

1056
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,040
which relate to the overflights over the

1057
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,000
military bases in 1975

1058
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,319
the unrestricted and unlimited access

1059
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,079
that these objects had

1060
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,680
but gersten and his group have been

1061
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,119
stopped in their pursuit of more

1062
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,480
information

1063
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:53,359
the c i a refused to send gerston 57

1064
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,319
documents

1065
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,920
and the air force has a hundred

1066
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,079
documents that it refused to release

1067
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,920
and recently the national security

1068
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,599
agency did not release a hundred and

1069
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,680
sixty documents for the same reason

1070
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:06,240
national security and in may of this

1071
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,800
year

1072
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,640
the supreme court agreed with that

1073
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,280
agency the release of that information

1074
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,520
would be both embarrassing to the agency

1075
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,400
because it would show

1076
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,280
once again that the objects exist that

1077
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,599
the objects are in advanced technology

1078
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,040
and the objects do

1079
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:23,119
in one way or another pose a threat so

1080
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,240
they don't want to release the

1081
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:29,589
how much should the public be told about

1082
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,280
our government's investigations of ufos

1083
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,440
it's true that some information pertains

1084
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,720
to national defense

1085
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,280
and should be classified but what about

1086
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,920
other information

1087
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,839
what's needed now are not more secrecy

1088
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,599
shrouded investigations

1089
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,440
but a joint effort between government

1090
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,640
and scientists

1091
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,599
dedicated to unraveling the ufo mystery

1092
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,119
because it's obvious

1093
00:46:38,790 --> 00:45:55,760
that project blue book was not the last

1094
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,870
many astronomers would agree that it is

1095
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,000
likely that there are other

1096
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,960
civilizations in our galaxy but most

1097
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,560
astronomers doubt that we have been

1098
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,800
visited by aliens

1099
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,720
you see no other civilization could know

1100
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,560
in advance that we exist

1101
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,319
because our only means of telling them

1102
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:56,000
about us or by radio waves

1103
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,760
that we broadcast into space and we've

1104
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,760
already been doing that half a century

1105
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,680
which means there's a big sphere of

1106
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,960
radio radiation

1107
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,720
expanding outward at the speed of light

1108
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,280
that's how fast radio waves go

1109
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,640
now about 50 light years in radius

1110
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,319
and even with the most optimistic

1111
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,400
guesses the most likely

1112
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,640
nearest civilization is many times

1113
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:18,319
further away than that

1114
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,000
so any inter extraterrestrial spaceships

1115
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,280
visiting earth

1116
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,960
but have people have been cruising

1117
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,640
around sort of at random looking

1118
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,720
in space in general and if you work out

1119
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,839
the numbers

1120
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,359
it turns out you would have to suppose

1121
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:34,079
that every conceivable civilization that

1122
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,040
could exist

1123
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,640
would be launching ships at the rate of

1124
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,640
one every few seconds to account

1125
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,960
for the number of reports of ufos that

1126
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,599
are made here on the earth

1127
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,839
if not aliens then what do ufos

1128
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,040
represent

1129
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,599
for scientists like abel the answer is

1130
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,480
very little

1131
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,880
if anything i think it's fair to say

1132
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,400
that uh members of the scientific

1133
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,240
community would be extremely delighted

1134
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,640
to investigate ufos very seriously if

1135
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,000
there is anything concrete to

1136
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,599
investigate

1137
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,520
the difficulty is the more you look into

1138
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:05,440
it the more you find the evidence is

1139
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,480
hearsay or are slip shot evidence or

1140
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,319
things which we can very well understand

1141
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,160
without the need to investigate

1142
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,359
i can appreciate the desire of the

1143
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,960
physical scientists the so-called hard

1144
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scientists

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00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:23,520
to have what they call hard data i would

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00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,559
like it to

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00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,400
but when you have a phenomenon that

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00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,359
doesn't seem to produce the hard data

1149
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,880
one might ask you might as well have

1150
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,480
asked frau sigmund freud

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00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,200
what is the hard data in dream analysis

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00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,800
what do you take in the laboratory what

1153
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,800
do you put under a microscope in dream

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00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,839
analysis

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00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,760
and yet we have the whole structure of

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00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,720
psychoanalysis today

1157
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,960
and so we've come full circle around the

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00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,800
subject of ufos

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00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,200
and it's a standoff between those who

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00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,440
believe and those who don't

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00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:56,079
but it seems to me that ufologists have

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a strong

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00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,119
case when they argue for a serious

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00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,440
investigation of the phenomenon

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00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:04,160
because scientists who dismiss ufos are

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00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,359
either unwilling

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or unable to refute the most outstanding

1168
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:09,119
cases

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00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:12,559
like the new zealand film if documents

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00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,119
show that

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sightings over military installations

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are taken seriously by our government

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00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:21,040
shouldn't that be investigated if a

1174
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,920
videotape

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00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:23,680
shows an object that defies

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00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,200
identification shouldn't it be analyzed

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00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,359
and if people believe they were abducted

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00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,440
by aliens from outer space

1179
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,960
isn't that a subject that merits

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00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,520
psychological study

1181
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:38,400
dr haines and others say yes and they

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00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,200
make a plea

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00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,599
for time and money to do a thorough

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00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:43,280
investigation of the strongest

1185
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,640
ufo cases but even more important

1186
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,720
they want their fellow scientists to

1187
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,480
keep an open mind

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00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:51,920
because we're dealing with a phenomenon

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00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,559
we don't understand and because of that

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00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:57,440
we need to keep every avenue open in

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00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,079
terms of

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00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,400
of the approach taken to understand it

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it might take physics

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00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,079
some breakthrough in in molecular

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00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,319
physics say or plasma physics

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00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:09,200
it might take some understandings of the

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psyche

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00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,559
of the unconscious it might take a

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combination of the two

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00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,000
it might take some totally new field of

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00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,839
science we don't have yet

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00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,640
ufology today is in the state i would

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00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:22,240
say that say chemistry was

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00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,520
when chemistry was alchemy a mixture of

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00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,040
superstition

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00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,480
wild ideas unproved claims and yet out

1207
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,920
of that whole mess

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00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:34,400
finally the very first class science of

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00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:35,280
chemistry

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00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,079
evolved i think the same thing is going

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00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:40,800
to happen eventually with ufology it's

1212
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:44,079
but right now it is a mess there's

1213
00:50:51,309 --> 00:50:48,079
a fantastic amount of wishful thinking

1214
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,319
of desire of pseudoscience of

1215
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,720
pseudo-religion

1216
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:55,760
of cultism but eventually i think that

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00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,480
will all

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00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:59,119
finally sink to the bottom and we'll

1219
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,240
have

1220
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,599
uh out of our whole thing a a clear

1221
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,119
liquid of

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00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,040
of something that we can really see and

1223
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,510
it doesn't seem likely that the

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00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,839
government will join with scientists

1225
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,000
in a complete public investigation of

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00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,960
the ufo phenomenon

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00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,800
and this leaves the job to be done by

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00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,000
the alan heineck's

1229
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,680
and the richard haynes's and the

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00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,200
hundreds of investigators

1231
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,119
all over the world struggling against

1232
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,920
all odds to make some sense of the ufo

1233
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,079
experience

1234
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,680
but the lack of information does not

1235
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,440
diminish our interest

1236
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,440
indeed it's the mystery that feeds our

1237
00:51:42,540 --> 00:51:38,640
imagination

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00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:42,550
and allows us to wonder about marvelous